DUST Search - Gunnlogi vs Madrugar.

ladwar wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged.

See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers).

shields should pulse 5 times in 5 seconds based on their own stats

Jason Pearson wrote:

I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool.

then he activates his second repper and you are doomed...

most common armor tank i see has an eHP of 20,000~
most common shield tank i see has an eHP of 10,500~
thats why gunnlogi vs madrugar is so LOL.


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Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2923	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:23:00 - [1] - Quote Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged. See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers). As a major Caldari Tanker, I understand the unfairness when it comes to fighting other tanks, being part of PC meant I had to switch to Gallente if I wanted to take part and actually fight. Balance will never occur if we look at how things are right now though, we have to wait. If you do want to play as a Gunnlogi pilot, I recommend buffer and speed, rather than repping. Gunnlogi is an Anti Infantry tank atm, whereas the Madrugar is an Anti Tank tank, with that in mind your weaponry shouldn't be focused on being high damage, rather a scattered blaster will do the trick allowing you to focus on your shield output. I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2925	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote ladwar wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged. See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers). shields should pulse 5 times in 5 seconds based on their own stats Jason Pearson wrote: I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool. then he activates his second repper and you are doomed... most common armor tank i see has an eHP of 20,000~ most common shield tank i see has an eHP of 10,500~ thats why gunnlogi vs madrugar is so LOL. If he does that, then compliments to the Madrugar as not many people do run double rep tanks, as they have such little armor due to the requirements of the reps, if you do see someone with low (full) armor, then expect that, that's where your skill as a pilot comes into play. Most Armor Tanks have between 6000-6700 Armor HP, it's a standard fit that everyone knows, Plate, Rep, Hardener, Hardener, PG, and then a Heatsink and Scanner in the High slots, common fit. It's what most people run when I speak to them, and what they advise newer tankers to run (who would've thought, learning both Armor and Shield tanking can be useful.) So my original tactic stands when coming across common fit madrugars Anyways, a double rep can be beaten through Rail or AV, unfortunately that's the only way to compete with such a tank, but due to their low Armor you can finish them before their reps kick in, I use a compressed proto rail with two damage mods for this, simply activate your heatsink, fire, by the time the reps have had it's 5 seconds to turn on you should have him. Also, I will have to check the stats against actual gameplay, not that it matters too much, we simply do not have enough health given in those 5 pulses, even at 5 seconds due to another 30 second cool down. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2925	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:33:00 - [3] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Andra Syra wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: [quote=Xender17]every aspect is better besides the fact that most av weapons are more effective vs armor. However the fact that their reps work so much better really removes this down side. Except even this is deceptive. While armour tankers are weaker against AV grenades and swarm launchers, shield tankers are weaker against forge guns and flux grenades. While swarms and AV grenades are still effective against shield tankers, flux grenades do next to nothing against armour tankers. Honestly, the only reason to skill into Caldari tanks at the moment is that you won the one hundred Falchions from that challenge or you're really confident CCP is going to buff shields (hint: I'm not sticking with Caldari because I'm confident in balancing). I just want to point out that forge guns do 90% against shield and 110% against armour. Carry on. Meh, low reps, low HP compared to high rep, high HP Madrugars means it's gonna seem a lot weaker to most AV except Swarms, because we have 30% resistance to it iirc. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2928	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:26:00 - [4] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Shield Tanks are balanced with Armour tanks when running spider tanking squads. Solo though Armour tanks obviouslly win. >.< Requires so much more effort than it does running a single Madrugar. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!